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10/14/2002

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jane

none of the screenshots i saw had anything other than the polygonned monstrosities that certain male character designers apparently consider "sexy" in female anatomy.

also to consider: John Scalzo's excellent piece on Sex in Video Games and why it's not such a great thing:
It's also all about timing. Developers have only had the ability to place these high-quality images and graphics into games in the last few years. The pixelated strippers of Duke Nukem 3D are quite different from the photorealistic DVD clips in Dave Mirra BMX XXX. Like kids on Halloween night, the developers are going a little overboard. Although "should we?" is not nearly as important a question as"who draws the line?" Who's to say where the line is that games and sex shouldn't cross. For me, receiving pornography as a reward for playing well just doesn't sit right. I'd prefer my porno and my games to remain separate.

It's only fair not to judge these games until they're released. Playing a game yourself is the only true test of whether a game is good or skating by on it's graphics. But the question remains, how far is too far? Do gamers really need DVD clips of Scores girls as an incentive to play? Gamers everywhere are trying to prove their interest in gaming is a mature and adult hobby, but sometimes the most mature thing is knowing where to stop.

Nat

When I interviewed 6 'humorous' gaming sites for Gamers.com, one of the questions I asked everyone was "Can there be a perfect mixture of porn and games?" The two most interesting answers?

Lowtax of Something Awful:
Porn and games should NOT mix. We should have hardcore porn and we should have games, but not a combination of the two. If I want to see hot XXX action, I will not load a CDROM from Eidos, I will go to newsgroups. I think the fact that games try to sell themselves with sex is pathetic. If there were some hardcore orgies in them, then that'd be one thing. However, I'm not pathetic enough to salivate over spending $50 to watch some big breasted, pixelated sex object jump over barrels on my monitor. If I want to see sex and screwing, I'll buy lesbian porn, not Tomb Raider 37. I'm pathetic in a totally different way.

Chet of Old Man Murray:
Japan is a pretty good example of this. It's about 50% porn, 50% game.

pepitopea

softcore could be fun.

i kinda yearn for the "leisure suit larry in the land of the lounge lizards" days. admittedly, i was twelve when i played that, but still, what a fantastic game. cant say the same for the latter sequels though.

pepito pea

justin

Well there's a nice innocence to animated blocky 8-bit porn. It leaves more to the imagination, or in the case of Leisure Suit Larry, it's sophomoric comedy titillating to twelve year olds. I loved it too back then! And maybe now I'd chuckle at the references to Spiro Agnew and Las Vegas. But somehow it's a little bit more seedy-seeming when you put live-video of stripping ladies in a game. I suppose it will look silly in a few years, maybe in a few months even.

There are a ton of porno games in Japan - mostly cartoon slide-shows based on branching narratives.

pepitopea

how about a "leisure suit larry"-esque PC game based on the film "Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN." if developed right and done tastefully... !AY CARUMBA!

pepito pea

jane

i'm very intrigued by this idea of sex in games... i'm not so interested in the slideshow porno "games" justin's talking about, because, well, they're slideshows. more like slightly interactive CD-ROMs than games (i'm guessing - i guess i should actually play one to find out for real). but i like games, and i like sex! so why can't the two be creative put together in a fun, non-exploitative, original, challenging way?

hm. i think i will do a "sex in games" series here on GGA to explore this train of thought further.

Bowler

I've given "sex in games" more thought than it probably deserves. I do motion capture for games, and given our current level of technology, it would be wonderfully easy to have actors with suits on come in and...uh..."act" out the whole thing.

There's even a disturbing feature of the software we use (Kaydara's Filmbox) that allows you to broadcast live 3D avatars acting out what the person in the motion capture suit is doing (it's designed for crazy virtual TV hosts).

So yeah, live internet broadcast 3D sex shows that can interactively respond to what people want to see is possible.(think Neil Stephenson's Diamond Age ractors mentioned in another thread). Your favorite actor doing the nasty with your other favorite actor (think Final Fantasy: The Porn Movie). The technology to do this is already in place. It only takes someone with enough money (the mocap equipment is *expensive*) and the will to "go there" to make it happen.

chuchi

Apart from sex, this game looks awful. Doesn't deserve atention.

Manga-Manic

Just a sad way to sell a crap game I guess..
(hey am I the only guy posting here? XD)

AuLbAtH

The humor that Acclaim put into the trailers is great... "You must eat a lot of weeners, you look like a whore", or that "Pimp Daddy" are just plain fun - if the game keeps up that kind of comedy I'll be the first to get it... and you guys shouldn't think of it as a Porn-Game but as a "Making Fun of all that Porn Industry and Geeks likin' it"-Game - but maybe you Americans have trouble with that.

I think that's a nipple... :)

jane

hey, i don't think we're all americans posting here, AuLbAth... and why would we have trouble with humour in games?

Shoez

That reminds me of an article I read somewhere, oh here's the link:

https://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html

Shoez

That reminds me of an article I read somewhere, oh here's the link:

https://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html

PAINPAINPAIN

Y'know, when I look at this game, I realise that it could be extremely cool to have an added incentive for collecting every-single-sodding-coin on any particular level. The more coins you collect, the more porn you see! Genius :)

Times like this I wish I was 16 again, and full of unnecessary amounts of testosterone.

Steve ;)~

CJ McT0sT

This game seems kinda stupid to me, but yes, if they get it marketable to console and stuff maybe it will open up a new market. There's always been PC xxx games of many types, now maybe they'll be some console ones. With this and the Rez thing, the world is definately, 'openning up'.

AuLbAtH

to jane:
Well, sorry - not only Americans, but mostly... most of the US folks I had the chance to talk about BMXXX thought it wasn't XXX and they disliked the graphics... so, the natural conclusion for me is that those lads didn't understand the game and its fine humor :) They just wanna see Porn Clips, and have their Rumblepaks goin' - so why don't they go and get some Porn Movies then ?
In my opinion the mix of funsport (Hawk-Style), mature humor and some crazy characters will work out perfectly, and make BMXXX a much more enjoyable game than most of those crappy Hentai-Slideshow Games...

Besides I don't know what's wrong with 'em complaining about graphics... the girls in the game might be blocky, so WHAT ?
They should think of it as a hommage to the "Nude Raider" Patch which all of them downloaded desperatley in order to see some lowpoly-tits ! And looking ugly will result in a decent framerate for PS2 owners ;)))

As long as it will have some kind of original gameplay, a two-player mode, cool characters, tight controls and replay value mixed with the above mentioned humor I will get it - no matter what ! (And I need some "fun sport" game for the Xbox as well, hate Tony Hawk and Dave Mirra... )

RAdiOSamuRai

You know what concerns me about a game like BMX XXX? Sure .. nude people riding around on bikes, wahoo ... they can go that far in realism, but can they provide the skin gashes and ashpalt burn?

Dude, there's a reason why protective gear is supplied to riders .. and theres also a reason why riders don't ride nude ... ashphalt brun on your doo doo will provide a watertap of gushing blood. *shudder*

You;ve all seen a scraped knee to the bone? I don;t know how fast a hormone killer a booby scrape would look like!

eww!

Ifrit

Hey.. the last point was great!! how true!! what happens when a naked chick falls doing a 20 foot jump?

and the humor in this game just might be what you describe AuLbAtH, but I have a feeling it will not be... A game with naked chicks in it, and named "BMXXX", and put out by a company by acclaim... i think its just a low-brow tactic aimed at getting people talking about the game, talking about the company, and maybe the few people who find the jokes funny may buy it. Personally there are NOT many games which are TRULY funny.. if this game is - it is worth a buy, but you do NOT need nudity to be funny.. There is a game called... hmm Grandia II that is hilarious, because the main character is an ass... thats one of the funniest games I've played.. not many others are funny, and games which base most of their gameplay on BEING funny usually fail miserably, because they're NOT funny.

We'll see about this one, but i get the feeling that it will not be funny at all, maybe only to pre-pubescent boys and pre-pubescent adults [i mean older geeks who laugh at anything remotely sexual].

Dale

www.mygamer.com ownz j00

jane

oh wow, they're having a "Ms BMX XXX" contest?

...

anyway, i've read articles in which the developers of the game compare it to American Pie, The Sopranos, and Sex in the City for its humor/sex content. shoot, i'd be thrilled if it were half as witty, funny, sexy as American Pie! or if any game were! but let's face it, American Pie was a good movie that dealt honestly with both boys' and girls' sexualities in what i thought was a fresh, light-hearted slapstick format. sure, it was a little nasty, but in a good-humored, equal-opportunity way. i could be wrong, but somehow i doubt the tone and content of BMX XXX will approach American Pie's.

FuCt Messiah

see here is the facts as i see them... I thought American Pie sucked. Which goes to prove that different people have different tastes in humor. It is the same in movies, tv shows, books, and of course video games. As for the nudity I think there is nothing wrong with it. Do I get turned on by pixilated girls riding around on bikes no.. do i have a problem with it no. You see there is a thing at stake here called freedom. If the makers of BMX XXX want to put that in thier game good for them... go for it, and if you dont want to buy it, fine dont. I think there is a bigger issue here.. There has never been a home console game in the US that had full frontal nudity.. and that this game has it is a benchmark... remember back when Mortal Kombat first came out, there was a media circus about all the blood and gore. Where only a few years later it is perfectly acceptable to have graphic violence. Nudity will be the same way.. all it takes is someone to break that taboo and take the flack.. All i have to say is thank you Acclaim for having the guts to do so

Tatsu[Redeemedsoft]

I like orange and cream pops. They are ice creamy and tart at the same time! I kind of like to mush it together and stuff, but at its' best, the two flavors only mix in my stomach...

biff digums

I think the game will be cool. All it is, is a naked version on Tony Hawk. If you like tony Hawk, you'll like this game, big deal if there is naked chicks, thats just a bonus, the Japs have been doing it since atari.

Bowler

The problem is that it's getting slammed in the reviews. It's evidently not a good game. So comparing it to Pro Skater but with boobs might not be a good analogy.

What we're going to be left with is a game that focuses on the boobs and not on the gameplay, and I think that's the main issue here. We're talking about Acclaim: the company now known for advertising on tombstones and boobs in video-games. I don't hear anyone writing stories on how great their games are. Just on how "groundbreaking" their marketing department is. SegaCD games bombed because they focused on what was considered groundbreaking - grainy full motion video - and not on actual gameplay.

So just because she's naked on a bike doesn't mean it's groundbreaking or a good game. It means it's nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick. Will it sell a lot of copies? Probably. Will it get a favorable write-up in the next installment of that History of Video-Games hardcover book as a groundbreaking innovator of videogames that paved the way for mature, adult themed quality video-game entertainment in the 21st century?

I doubt it.

Justin

i like naked wemen

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