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SnipersLaww

im a PC person myself and have never played marathon(let alone ever touched a mac)...but all these lil thoughts could be true...could not be true..only Bungie knows but you seemed to have done quite a bit of good work on this...is almost convincing

OoACoO

Sorry, but this isn't a convincing argument that Halo is any sort of sequel. Bungie certainly put in plenty of familiar treats for its Marathon fanbase, but saying that these make the game a sequel is ridiculous.

HaloManiac87 (Kishan Patel)

Everything you are saying is true and I agree with you that Halo should be called Marathon 4. Now what if Bungie ends the whole Marathon similarity thing right here and in Halo 2 no more easter eggs and that game is mainly dedicated to Halo. Then you can not call Halo 2 Marathon 5. I guess we will have to just wait and see if Halo 2 has no similarity whatsoever with the Marathon series, then you can truly call Halo the end of long running Marathon series. And HALO 2 the beginning of a new series for Bungie or should I say Halo.

HaloManiac87 (Kishan Patel)

Everything you are saying is true and I agree with you that Halo should be called Marathon 4. Now what if Bungie ends the whole Marathon similarity thing right here and in Halo 2 no more easter eggs and that game is mainly dedicated to Halo. Then you can not call Halo 2 Marathon 5. I guess we will have to just wait and see if Halo 2 has no similarity whatsoever with the Marathon series, then you can truly call Halo the end of long running Marathon series. And HALO 2 the beginning of a new series for Bungie or should I say Halo.

Xzilen

I came up with the same conclusion about the rocket launcher quite a long time ago.

As for the game itself, I dunno man, I just don't, but what about the vechiles eh?

kapowaz

All interesting points, but I am more in agreement with OoACoO; a sequel isn't defined by the similarities between it and it's predecessors, but by the story and setting. Although both Halo and Marathon have similar settings (much discussed on the HBO forums) they take place in two distinctly different periods - if not indeed entirely different "alternate" universes.

From a more realistic point of view it makes far more sense for Bungie to create a new gaming universe than continue with that created for Marathon. Considering the elaborate interwoven plotlines in the Marathon series, to continue this with a new game will increase the complexity of the plot exponentially. Bungie have always tried to make the setting feel authentic and not self-contradictory. To carry on adding new interesting ideas (races, events etc.) to a game series whilst still keeping this consistency would be a huge task.

So no, Halo isn't Marathon 4 - just a distant relative.

Raven

It is an interesting read, but I don't think that Halo is Marathon 4, but I think it is a game that simply pays homage to those that have walked before it.

I guess that the best comparison I have right off the top of my head is this: Relic Entertainment made Homeworld, a very innovative 3D RTS with a great story. Relic is about to release Impossible Creatures. I played the demo, and saw some very striking similarities between the two - namely they both try something seemingly Impossible and pull it off, both are great strategy games, and both use the same style of story telling, right down to the hand-drawn cinimatics. But both are different games, even though there are numerous similarites.

So, Halo isn't marathon 4, but it merely pays respect to the games that have gone before it.

Jager

Point of Information:
the bobs aren't wearing mark IV armor, But your marathon character is! (revert to your picture of the SPNKr's, Mark V on the left, Mark IV on the right. )

marathon.bungie.org/story will have all your answers, er, i mean, more qusetions for you.

its obvious that there are parrallels. . . they ARE made by the same company. and they have their fair share of continiuties (mark IV and Mark V armor, etc, etc.), and the same themes, its of course up to you to decide whether its all in the same maraverse, or parrellel universes (marathon infiity explored that one), or whether they are complete stand alone games. but its called halo b/c it has to do with a halo, the other one was called marathon b/cit had to do with a ship called marathon. =) so no, halo isn't marathon 4 b/c there is no marathon ship anywhere. and if you take the timelines given to us by bungie literally as the A.D. timeline, Halo takes place two hundred(?) years after the marathon laucnhes, but interestingly enough, one hundred years BEFORE the marathon games take place (the marathon floated through space for three hundred years before reaching its destination).

what I want to know is why is the marathon symbol all over the Halo installation, the covenant , AND human. just more questions.. . .

Michael May

Did you ever think that perhaps bungie just kept what it liked from Marathon. And as far as similarities in symbols weapons and so on i'm sure they did that on perpose. perhaps they were a little nostalgic ( don't call me on spelling i woke up 5 mins ago). To call Halo a sequel is rather absurd in my mind and probably anyone who has fallen into Halo's world aswell. Love this article and it makes some great points but Sequel NO.
Feel Free to E-mail me.

Spartan 3

Hi,
If any of you are halo fans. You're invited to come join the fourms at www.haloonline.net (you all seem intrested in halo so just an invitation)
Thanks
Spartan 3

Blade

Halo a sequel, I think not! Haven't any of you read the book "Halo: The Fall Of Reach"? There is no Marathon ship, Bobs, or any Mark armors in Halo! Their armor is called MJOLNIR, not Mark V. That's a big difference. In Halo, Master Chief is a SPARTAN, not a Bob, and halo.bungie.org said that Bobs more closely resemble the Marines. Not to mention that Marathon has no UNSC, the Human forces, or Covenant, the alien forces. Also, Bungie wanted Marathon fans to see something to buy; by using the best game modes and the symbols only make Marathon fans who liked these things want to play a new game in itself. And the AI were important everywhere, although they never were evil except for 343 Guilty Spark. Bungie would rather draw in more fans and old ones, not just let all the Marathon fans get all the fun. Most importantly, Halo has Halo, Marathon has a ship, two different things, two different universes, two different games!!!

Diddy Mao

Ok 1 worrd "Flood"

jish

bungie wouldn't be ashamed to call it a marathon game if it's a marathon game, period.

Satan

I can't believe I gave you enough credit to read all the way through this pile of shit. If you were a true Bungie fan you might just realize that maybe since Marathon was one of the titles that made Bungie, and the logo is unforgetable that it kind of a second call sign for them? And if you had ever even played a little of this game you would know both cyborgs have MJOLINIR armor. Did this not jump out at you? And then you think the inculsion of the game types is strange, hello if you invented them and they were a huge success, would you leave them out of a similar game? And you believe that because Bungie staff have an attention to details like realistic physics (a.k.a. possible speeds to run at, or explosions blast radiuses) that this is a be deal? Not to mention you left out thousands of similarites like the Hunters in Marathon with their green projecticles and blue armor on harder or higher up levels. So do some more research, you just might find out that their are a ton of similarites you missed, a ton that have no bases, and an even larger amount of new and differnent things. I am soo pissed that you would call this "research" that I am going to go play some Halo before I burst a vein.

Satan,
Please of Please acctually play both games before you write an article!

archon

This has all been discussed very throughly before at the websites you got your info from, specifically The Halo Story page from HBO and the Marathon Story Page. If you were gonna call Halo another Marathon sequel (which at least story-wise it isn't), you should've gone as far to say that Halo was Pathways Into Darkness 5, and that Halo 2 was PiD 6.

gordonliu

the games are similar yes, but they are different stories. marathon is about a gigantic ship that has traveled to a near solar system or galaxy or something where they have encountered aliens. not to mention marathon happens further into the future than halo is reported to take place in. they certainly follow and use the same information. they are in the same "universe." marathon is more of a story of the character the aliens and the AI durandal. halo is more about the character vs the alien. i think marathon had a very rich storyline, halo doesnt. they both share stuff involving the forerunner. in the end i would say that halo and marathon are from the same larger story, but are stories by themselves. they are not sequals in any way shape or form. also "mjolner mark IV armor" was mentioned in marathon as it was in halo. the alien civilization in marathon was also similar in that it was more of a combination of races working together. the motiviations are different. marathon was about using humans as slaves. halo is about the destruction of the human race because of religion. marathon does use the same rocket launcher, the words on the side are the same. another difference is the ability to "jump" in marathon, this doesnt exist in halo. they are totally different games that are in the general sense, on the same storyline. i have to say though, you have obviously coppied your ideas from HBO and i think you should give them a bit more credit for basically supplying your entire article with facts.

Kirby Smith

Couple other similarities/things you didn't mention...

1. Both games feature a "post game carnage report" after a deathmatch.

2. The Marathon logo on the Pillar Of Autumn is more clearly visible in the cutscene right before The Maw

3. Both games feature motion trackers, rather than the radar typically found in sci-fi games.

4. Your character in Marathon IS equipped with Mark IV armor.

5. In an old build of Halo (on this video i've got showing tons of old builds, level editing etc) the assault rifle DOES have a grenade launcher attached.

6. In another old build, the circular designs on the door can be found in Marathon 2 on a level called "Waterloo Waterpark".

That's it for now... but if I find anything else, I'll post it.

Keith Schaefer

Who cares?!

Blade

Another forgotten thing: In "Halo: The Fall Of Reach" it proves that Master Chief is Human, not a robot or a cyborg. He is part of the SPARTAN project, where 150 cantidates are checked out to find 75 good cantidates. These people were taken a young kids, including someone named John 117. They were trained in battle tactics and strategies, and then were genetically modified, where only about 40 were left, only 30 of which were still suitable to fight. John 117 was appointed team leader after a great plan of taking out guards in a field practice, because the last person on the Pelican was to be left, so why not all get on at the same time? So John 117 became Master Chief, and over many years, mission after mission, until the actual fall if Reach, all of the SPARTANs were killed, leaving only Master Chief. Now that's nothing featured in Marathon, is it?

dizzy dawg

OMG! people keep saying, "Oh, they're so much alike!" Well, duh they're alike! they're made from the same company, Bungie! You need to look into Bungie before you say anything about Halo or Marathon.

Elmo

I've never played marathon and I think since it is a lot like halo its a great game. But plot makes a sequel not eggs or similar design. Esp if its the same company. I mean do you go around saying that starcarft is the real warcraft 3. Also I may not have played marathon but bob stands for Born on Board.

Elmo

I've never played marathon and I think since it is a lot like halo its a great game. But plot makes a sequel not eggs or similar design. Esp if its the same company. I mean do you go around saying that starcarft is the real warcraft 3. Also I may not have played marathon but bob stands for Born on Board.

Bowler

I don't know if anyone who's posting comments is checking back for further comments, but to those of you who feel that a sequel (or for that matter prequel) is based strictly on plot and storyline, then what would you call Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? It takes place before GTA3, certainly, and has some familiar aspects to it (such as the radio station names), but the only character who makes a repeat performance is just a fringe character.

So by your own definitions GTA:VC wouldn't be a prequel (or sequel as far as game engines are concerned), but it obviously is a prequel/sequel. I don't think anyone would argue that it isn't.

Just food for thought.

11d

Ok the rocket is the only convincing part of all this. If not, it does not mean it's a Halo's prequel. The rest could have just been purposly done by bungie or a coinsidence.

Lophan

Ever think that the little bits and pieces that are reminicent of Marathon are for the benefit of those of us who have been playing Bungie games since 1994?

You should really get more facts and information before actually posting something like this. Nevertheless, it's always nice to read something about a game created by my fave company (that would be Bungie... not Microsoft, though they aren't bad :-P ).

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