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I want to start wearing bracelets (or blog widgets, perhaps) that say "WWD(anah)B(oyd)D?"

Much of the fretting in Rosen's article over online vs. offline socialization is just an update of the hand-wringing that's been going on since BBS times. I did like that she touched on the uncontrollable immediacy of social nets, like announcing a breakup on Facebook. Shifting people's notions of "private" and "public" spheres might be the biggest change that's being driven by this generation of social networks.

I wonder if Rosen has spent much time on Yelp or Upcoming, social sites that exist primarily to augment our offline lives?

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So I take umbrage at the part you block-quoted.

Apparently heavy uses of SNSs "feel less socially involved with the community around them." Maybe it's purely the result of a cultural bias because people assume "social involvement" necessarily means face-to-face involvement.

And then the other study found that "those who engaged in romantic communication over MySpace tend to have low levels of both emotional intelligence and self-esteem." Uhh. Compared to which control group? If you're comparing MySpace users to your average person who doesn't use MySpace... well shit, whaddya know, the teenagers who use MySpace have lower self esteem and EIQ than your random Joe on the street. "Teenagers are confused and sad." No shit. Now, if that same study compared teenagers who use MySpace to teenagers who don't use MySpace, you still need to consider danah's observations that MySpace teens tend to be the "loser/outcast/queer/poor/minority" teens and Facebook is largely for college-bound privileged teens. Does this make teens who use no SNSs a decent control group at all? Probably not. It's probably a self-selecting group.

PhilM

Isn't this simple displacement? If you spend more time in community A, you have less in community B. That's just common sense. It doesn't mean you're actually less sociable.

The issue for me is far more about the form of that interaction. As a bloke with the usual tendencies to shyness of the geek and gamer, not to mention a fair dose of vagueness, I'm wary of anything that limits my ability to read people; I can't afford to lose that extra information. (And people are kinda cool anyway and deserve not to be missed.) I'm also extremely distractable by any kind of game or flippant popculturality, which cuts down on both incoming and outgoing emotional traffic, and tends to make the tone of what does go on lighter than is sometimes strictly honest.

The profile thing is a bit weird for me too... even if I wanted to just sum myself up for the rest of the world, which I don't particularly, I find the framework a very poor fit for most people I know, both in terms of available answers and in terms of priorities. I could go into why, but I think that's a conversation for my friends... it's an interesting but personal vein of thought I want to keep mining. But I don't think you can know anyone just from those questions about gender, preference, age etc - or even favourite movie/book/tune/game. Even people's causes don't tell you the real stuff: are they kind? Honest? Do they take care of the people around them? Themselves? What are their gifts and weaknesses? And so on.

I guess I prefer diving to surfing too; I prefer treasure to prizes.

Thanks, as ever, for a thought-evoking reflection and pointers to nifty articles. Enjoy Iceland!

PhilM

I can't believe I almost missed out on the chance to describe spending time with my friends as "immersive"...

Girl_from_Mars

With facebook/myspace i found the original joining and finding out who-was-up-to-what interesting, but that is pretty much where it ended.

I agree with you as well about the interactions... on WoW, i dont really want to meet new people. I would like to play with the people i play with, who number in about 5-10, and if they are not online, i pretty much want to solo. Is it bad that i am tired of new, online people?
I would like it if in something like wow, a huge world, there were only people i knew, quasi-knew. Like my own island. And if you see someone, you know them.
Tho i find that SORT of happens in WoW as you level, there are only a certain # of people at your level, who are able to run instances with you - so you have generally seen them from the day you created your first character. You like some of them, you know their skills, you dislike others. Tho i guess that all changes with 70. Im not at 70 yet. QQ

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