great article, Bowler. i've watched a lot of videos of paintball tournaments, and i was amazed at houw serious and organized the teams were at competition level.

some videos are available to download at warpig.com.

This is a great article, Bowler. I really wanna go try paintball now!

suck

Glad you guys liked it :)

If anyone wants to see the fields we played on (with photos of them), check out

http://www.challengepark.com/map_large.asp

and mouse-over the different fields for photos. This place has the most interesting levels I've ever had the opportunity to play on. I didn't get to play in the town, unfortunately :(

hey, me too! my counterstrike skills paid off my second time out. i played at woodstock in california (before it closed down) and i rocked. After my pitiful first attempt i went back and analyzed my counterstrike methods. i went from fetus position behind oil barrels to cool and calm strategist. i used all of 200 ammo for six games and went on to victory several times over.

on a funnier note i love to play out scenes from Saving Private Ryan like yelling, "Upum! Upum! ammo godammit!" and "oh, i don't think your mother would of approved of that!" as fellow players look at me in dismay.

Back when all of my college buds used to play with me, we all used Aliens quotes:

"Oh, you want some too?"

"Game over, man!"

"Look into my eye."

"Marines, we are leaving!"

Great... now let one of those "ban-all-games idiots" stumble across this article, and bang! here we go with another great headline how games influence people...

Besides, why do you guys play video/computergames at all, realism sucks... if I want realism, then I just enjoy reality.
So, better get into one serious "flashy graphics high-speed respawn blastfest" and have some fun, instead of playing "Us versus Osama 3D". Just my 2 cents - NO OFFENSE !

Lock'n'Loaded, Aulbath

The trouble with CS is that its influence is extending far beyond real life situation involving guns, it's effecting EVERYTHING...

For example, I'll walk up the stairs to my room and I'll strafe from side to side carefully covering every viewpoint with my imaginary desert eagle. If I see my little sister I instincitvely crouch and go for the head shot...

Then, when it comes to a game of football in the park with friends we're attacking in SWAT formations rather than the more conventional 4-4-2.

I shudder to think how it's going to warp my love life...I'll probably be trying to disarm the bomb during the worst possible of times...

Since I was little ive been into war gaming.
When I got old enough, I bought stuff...
Most notibly, my trusty Romanian AK-47...

photos here ( clicky )

spence
ps: paintball owns, awesome tips mike

Did I say mike? I ment bowler, so solly :]

Spence. You really need to go see a film called 'Bowling For Columbine'.

Great site, by the way. Well written.

Spence. You really need to go see a film called 'Bowling For Columbine'.

Great site, by the way. Well written.

Well you obvioulsy didnt play Counter Strike enough. Unlike real life, camping in Counter Strike does not pay off. Run and GUN is the path to ultimate domination in CS. A Crew of 5 guys charging around the map firing on the go with concentrated fire is unstoppable. Forget about creeping and slinking, CS is all about running. Sit still and your dead. In real life and in paintball the best method for staying alive is to HIDE in a really good ambush spot and SIT for as long as it takes. Our Paintball team used to get crushed by some 400 pound fatman who had an automatic, silenced, scoped gun that would hide in some hole and blow the shit out of all of us.

I find this humorous, because there is no such thing as a silenced, scoped, or automatic paintball gun. (And I never said to camp in CS, btw).

I'd wager he was a good shot, had a clean gun, had enough money to throw 1000 rounds at long distance per round, and had an incredibly fast semi-automatic 12 ball per second hair triggered two fingered pull. Scoping a paintball gun is a waste of money, because there's no way to tell a musket ball to fly consistantly straight the whole time every time.

Any pro team could take out a 400 lb long balling fatman camper in paintball. It just takes teamwork.

I almost toatally agree with Bowler here. There is such a thing as an automtaic piantball gun (Angel, Shocker, Defiant, and Bush Master are the head liners), but most fields don't allow them to be placed on automatic. All of these guns are whats known as "electroic triger" which is the same as pushing a button on a game pad controller (like the A and B buttons for the N64), there just isn't that much to push so they can make it seem automatic.

You can come close to silencing a paintball gun, but mostly, you can't. The bolt, and rush of CO2 or compressed Air still make a decent noise. And what Bowler said about the scope, yeah... only people who have played fewer than five times or have no understanding of ballistics what so ever know that buying even a 25 dollar scope is more or less pointless. These are .68 caliber ball rounds, not to mention they barely have half the power of a musket ball, and are never, and I mean NEVER rolled properly; they do not fly straight (I know, I've been saved by the law of physics on numerous occasion).

Although I toatally dont agree with the "Dont Rush" Theory. It's a proven fact, sometimes you can, and sometimes you cant. But, you can't sit and hide either, I will garantey that you will be eliminated. You do have to remain on the move as much as possible, otherwise a quarter-organized team will flush you out and bring you down. It's always best to remain aggressive, even if you are the defending team. Keep your head up, and your gun pointed down range, and make sure you dont get tunnel vision; I love back dooring teams who dont pay attention to their flanks.

I liked the article. I haven't played paintball yet, but now I'll be a lot more prepared for when I do.
You should do an article on a game that completely destroys Counter-Strike, namely Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
A lot of wolf servers are starting to run OTLT (one-life-to-live, as opposed to unlimited-lives-to-live), so now you can have the strategy of Counter-Strike AND the superior gameplay of RTCW. And, with the new expansion coming up (RTCW: Enemy Territory), a lot of people are coming back to the wolf gaming community (and leaving the unfortunately grasp of UT2003).

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I'm surprised you didn't ALWAYS play like that. Congratulations on sprouting a brain stem.

This stuff is just amazing guys. As a CS player of a few years, and a recent paintball experience have come through, I sat and read this and found it one of the most interesting / specific / accurate discussion I've ever seen.

The analysis of the CS gaming experience, and the subsequent points raised and argued was just brilliance.

I have been latly watchin my boyfriend play paintball .. and it is an awesome sport... and him being incredible at it rox my sox

I think the whole "silenced, scoped, automatic, blah blah blah" debate can be summed up by a link.. Voila. Examine the "Weekend Warriors" strips, and you'll find your 400 pound man with the silenced, scoped, automatic rifle. It's funny to see someone using fictional characters' experiences as their own :) On a side note, I have to give my opinion: CS is a run and gun game unless you have an awp or colt, which I don't think is allowed in paintball. Meet me for a pistol round sometime and I'll show you what your camping will really get you. Here's a hint, it's not a positive ratio.

I've played my share of both CS and paintball. But honestly I wouldn't say that either one would really make you better at the other. Sometimes camping is the order of the day and running around will only get you shot, and there are other times where if you camp you'll be overrun (and yes I know no one actually said to camp, but you get the gist) It all depends on the team you're on, the team you're against, and usually the game you're playing. I don't really think that it's possible to just make one blanket statement about paintball given the variables involved. As for CS I've been told it's all about speed these days. and I tend to listen to him since he's ridiculously good (in the third best clan, goes by Merril) Anyways, I originally only came to this site because the guys at PA used to word "bajingo" in describing it, but I'll likely bookmark it just because it has good articles and style thats hard to find these days.

Whew, that was longer than I thought it was gonna be...

Speaking as an avid paintball / airsoft player and armchair general wannabe (as well as old-skool CS monkey), one thing that CS can't recreate is the psychological effects of indirect and suppression fire. Standard methods of overcoming an entrenched foe involves supression, communication, and flanking -- the first one I don't see nearly as much in CS.

Granted, there are strategic parallels between the game and more realistic combative situations; however, I'm not sure if there's an apt manner to describe an entire fireteam's worth of men taking potshots in your general direction--definitely a demoralizing force, especially in a "big game".

However, with respect to a limited game and a big game in paintball, the rules are different: a smaller (and thusly more mobile) force in an ambush situation will overcome a larger and hindered column of men / materiel if properly executed--in a big game. Obviously, such an ambush would be harder to execute in a limited game where a "hit and run" tactic is not to the benefit of achieving an objective.

CS attempts to recreate an overriding methodology employed by law enforcement: containment and dominance. A force surrounds an area, removes and redirects an opfor into a closed / controlled location and (for all intents and purposes) dominates. This tactic also proves well on a smaller playing field in paintball (or in an interior location / MOUT).

However, on a large field without cover but only concealment, redirection of the enemy is not nearly as directional. Thereby dominance is achieved not by cornering by simply by outmaneuvering and outgunning an opfor. I'd have to think that the best illustration of this isn't CS, but rather an unsung (and wonderfully involved) game called Operation Flashpoint.

My rant over, I close with this: crouching and lying prone work; just as long as those techniques are employed as the situation and terrain warrants. Great article, Bowler.

I yell "its time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and im all out of gum". during matches where im dominating. as in during the second or so on rounds. its pretty funny.

I yell "its time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and im all out of gum". during matches where im dominating. as in during the second or so on rounds. its pretty funny.

Nice article. But playing CS I dont recon it makes you better at Paint Ball. I once partisipated in a paint ball match spawned by a forum war. Counter Strike Vs Tribes 1 players.

Next to none of us had done paint ball before on either teams. Tribes is nothing like paintball .. its a three dementional jetpak game with high speeds and most the guns work on Prediction shots with projectiles that travel at low speeds. Camping doesnt even come into this game. Anyway the tribes players won all three rounds, they didnt win by a large amount infact the tribes players got the least kills over all, the thing I found amusing was the tribes players won by scoring the most chest shots which are worth the most, also amusing was the tribes plays lost the most amount of points due to head shots as they were worth a negative score.

Out of the three rounds only one flag was captured, it was by the tribes players. Tribes is almost purely a CTF game.

Well i think my CS playing has helped me in a few ways. I have become much more perceptive, such as always listening for footsteps, gunfire, talking, etc. it really helps when sneaking up on the other teams flag to be compltely silent and use your senses more than your gun. i agree though that CS is not really a Team based shooter, unless you play clan matches, other than that it is the noob's with the 0-10 record and the dominators going 48-3. Thats how it usually is in CS. But paintball is more fun than CS anyways.

Day of Defeat will teach you a thing or two about teamplay and small-squad tactics. Following in the footsteps of Counter-Strike, it is the second Half-Life mod to go retail.
DoD Official site - list of download mirrors
If you play CS, you can play DoD will a simple download of its mod version.

It's WW2 ambience is vastly superior to Wolfenstein's, imho. And you don't need a high-end comp. to play it (although that probably isn't a concern here... lol)

It too is NOT as fun as Paintball, however, it may be more fun than CS.

Oh yeah... Half-Life mods will improve your eyesight for paintball ;o)

uh you should compare paintballing to games such as Rainbow6.

being a keen hunter myself i cant really say counter-strike playing helps you understand how to use a gun better, sure you can pretend you're a gun expect by saying the name of the guns, but using one is a different matter, you cant just point and hope to hit, you need to take into account the winds direction, weight of the bullet, pound pressure of the rifle, all to work out the angle you must shoot at.

and teamwork is imperative to live, i wouldn't say its a counter-strike given gift, we know it already.

ok, so the whole "silenced, scoped, auto" issue is pretty much dead - but i talk to dead stuff all the time. usually right after i kill it.

in any case - it IS possible to scope a paintball gun. a tipman flatliner (which i think is a modified model 98) puts a negative spin on the ball, causing a gyroscopic effect of flight stabilization. in essence, the ball travels in a remarkably straight line and then drops like a stone towards the end of its flight. This is, of course, dependent upon your paint selection. Evil paint, sure, brass eagle walmart crap, hell no. so you COULD scope it - but WHY???

and yeah, angels are auto. believe me, friends, i played in an overnight star wars themed "big game" where a dude dressed as freaking Vader carried a version of the angel he called a "Rain Maker". Have you ever seen a person do the minigun shuffle as a result of a PAINTBALL assault? it is simultaneously tragic, strange, and incredibly amusing. Angels make a whirring sound, followed by the screams of the dying.

and silencing . . i don't think so? you can suppress it a little with stabilized barrels. similar to flash suppressors, these barrels have holes on the sides that distibute the escaping propellant in all directions with relative equality. in theory, this stabilizes aim and reduces noise. in practice, i don't get a hell of a lot of muzzle rise in the first place, but it does seem quieter when i change barrels. silencing a gun, while hypothetically possible, would just steal too much punch to be feasible however.

conclusion - the idea of a silenced, scoped, fully auto paintball gun is about as ridiculous as the tactic of running a full squad around a map with "concentrated fire". for examples of why this is stupid, see "WWI trench warfare, charging trenches" or "Civil War, Picket's Charge" any half prepared resisitance with decent cover can completely annihilate that kind of insane, incomprehensibly self-destructive strategy (or lack thereof).

Well. I have a few things to say on the marker dynamics people have brought up.

1.) Why scope a paintball marker?
Almost every single marker I own is scoped. Why? Well, they sure as hell ain't accurate enough to make it feasible. So why waste even $15 on a scope? They make great spotting tools. I can't count the number of times I've been hunkered down in a great sniping position and have been trying to determine if that mound over yonder is just a long mound with a flashy bit of trash or if it is an op for with a glarey mask. I peeps through my little $15 BB gun scope, and I have confirmation.

2.) Full automatic markers
Almost any marker can be made full auto. It's not that hard and usually involves a slight modification to the sear. However, in my experience, a full auto marker just chops paint. The angel and some of the other electronic markers have electric eyes that sense for incoming rounds so they dont chop paint. All well and good, but its just one more fragile system to break on the field, one more item to get painted on.

3.) The Flatline
If you haven't noticed yet, I'm very much into marker modification and marker dynamics. My best marker is in fact a VERY heavily modified stingray. It gets more play then my Gen X which gathers dust or gets loaned out. Me and some buddies went and bought a flatline and set it up with a stable set of shooting blocks. We put out targets at multiple ranges, and put maybe 15,000 rounds of paint through. Conclusion? This is an overhyped piece of junk they sell to the toy kiddiez who want to be the baddest with the l33t skillz. Yeah, it imparts some spin to the balls, but only about one in five (did slow motion video to watch balls, we be major tech freaks). The nubbin if it does impart topspin only gives the right spin once in every three it catches. So you have like a one in fifteen chance of having ANYTHING happen to your accuracy. Usually, it made the majority of rounds innacurate when it caught the paint wrong. And that was with paint matched to the barrel.

4.) Silent but deadly
Any ballistic style weapon can be silenced. With a paintball marker, it is much harder since it is a pnuematic only system, but it is possible. Read up on barrel shrouds. Look around, and you will find many great suppressors that do not affect accuracy or velocity in the least. They don't make the marker silent, but any advantage is sometimes worth it. The one thing you can't silence is the bolt. It will make a metal on metal noise no matter what. You can't silence the bolt in "real" guns either. One thing a LOT of players never look for in silencing a marker is that most of the noise generated isn't made by the ball leaving the barrel, or by the expelled gases. You have your big viewloader 200 round hopper up top. You have fired out a 100 rounds or so. You now have a huge echo chamber. Every shot you make sends noise up into that resonating chamber were it gets louder and bounces around. Your balls in there are constantly moving. Many markers have large hollow areas in the frame to cut manufacturing costs. Fill those puppies up. Stuff a couple empty sandwhich bags in your hopper to keep the balls from rattling and the sound from bouncing. You will be most impressed on how those little things add up to the difference between being heard and getting multiple kills.

5.) The Silent Scoped Automatic Sniper IS a possibility.
First and foremost, you don't need an automatic marker. Even if your marker performs flawlessly, never chops paint, never breaks, you should never have need of laying down that much paint. If you are doing the silent snipe from heavy cover routine, an automatic will just give you away. Plus, it's exponentially harder to silence an automatic. However, a good semi can lay down paint JUST as fast, costs less, breaks less often, is more easily field repairable/cleanable, and gives you more control. See number 4 above for the silent treatment. Also remember to follow the three simple guidlines. Keep it maintained. Keep it cleaned. Keep it lubed. The scope? See number 1! They are indeed valuable. Using those simple tips, I have sat with a rented beat up Spider I did some quick field mods to, covered up in a ditch and taken down 17 people over three rounds without ever being discovered. Rather than firing off that cheap expendable shot at something I think is a person, I spot them with the scope. I can take my time lining up shots since I am quiet. Move as little as possible. And I never give away my position with spray and pray and an excessively noisey gun.

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You think paintball is good? How about going to the next Level! AIRSOFT, Realistic weapons, even more realstic games!

Check Combat Quarters

or just search for airsoft to see what i'm talking about.

DarkestHour

So you start paintball by jumping in the air gleefully at the start of the round for about a minute, And then spraypaint every patch of ground with your signature.

Oh, And you call your team *&$%tards at the top of your lungs when you get bored?

Sorry..Little counterstrike humor there.

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

Personally I think this article sucked... Get your facts right.. CS is a mod for HL, you can get mods for Quake that have the same wait for the round is over thingy. Second off, no.. just.. just... no. There are a lot of people that rush in speed ball, hell all pro teams do it. Even in CS that happens.And I have played CS for years, and I have played paintball for years, I don't concider playing CS makes me better at paintball, or playing paintball making me better a CS, I think that would be retarded... I think they have 2 things in common, Fun, and both can create a few stratagies, thats about it, w00000w.... Plz don't say things u dont know, peace good luck on the paintballing, btw who ever makes actions in real life imitating cs.. thats just weak.. thats like loser loner style man... sad.... lol, btw ur remarks on pb guns r stupid too, u dont put scopes on ur guns, its stupid... just talk to any pro. And! AUTO GUNS R FROM ELECTRONIC TRIGGERS!!!! not all guns can do that, u have to get a specialized frame, ALSO, u say it chops? well most electronic guns have eyes... and eye is a electronic reader that pretty much makes it impossible to chop, best one so far is by wicked air sports!! AVIABLE ON THE NEW RAT IMPULSE (wewt im ganna get that kick ass gun 25 balls a second), plus u get a electronic hopper ( best so far is the halo, does 22 balls a second +)and one last comment.. on ur lil flatline comment, flat line is pretty much only good on the a-5 and tipmman 98, u dont want it on ur gen x... besides gen x isnt that great anyway, u should get a dye ultralite- best thing out... or perhapes a all-american smart parts all the way. dif barrels r meant for dif times... and just to let u know each barrel is good with a dif type of paint b/c of the boar size.. wow i wrote a lot im really bored its 2 in the morning and i got nothing to do.. so yah i enjoyed this cuz it gave me something to do, sry if i sound angry just saying my thoughts, and if my comments helped anyone realize something.. YAY! - GL on ur future paintball and cs expeinces!

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Personally, I completely agree with this article. I don't understand these fools who are saying that is bull that you can get better at paintball from playing Counter-Strike. This person is trying to explain that they learned stratigical tatics and figured out the best ways to take cover, sneak, and stay out of sight. They never said their accuracy from playing Counter-Strike. If they had said that, I would have to agree that this is bull, however, they didn't so this article is very understandable. Though I haven't played a paintball game yet, (though I might be getting one for me birthday :) ) I can clearly understand how Counter-Strike can improve one's paintball game.

Personally, I completely agree with this article. I don't understand these fools who are saying that is bull that you can get better at paintball from playing Counter-Strike. This person is trying to explain that they learned stratigical tatics and figured out the best ways to take cover, sneak, and stay out of sight. They never said their accuracy from playing Counter-Strike. If they had said that, I would have to agree that this is bull, however, they didn't so this article is very understandable. Though I haven't played a paintball game yet, (though I might be getting one for me birthday :) ) I can clearly understand how Counter-Strike can improve one's paintball game.

Personally, I completely agree with this article. I don't understand these fools who are saying that is bull that you can get better at paintball from playing Counter-Strike. This person is trying to explain that they learned stratigical tatics and figured out the best ways to take cover, sneak, and stay out of sight. They never said their accuracy from playing Counter-Strike. If they had said that, I would have to agree that this is bull, however, they didn't so this article is very understandable. Though I haven't played a paintball game yet, (though I might be getting one for me birthday :) ) I can clearly understand how Counter-Strike can improve one's paintball game.

This is a good article because paintball can learn alot from CS. I hear that some new paintball center is opening up in New York and they have approached the company who makes CS for the exclusive rights. That would be hot to play Dust in real life.

Anyways if i found out more ill keep you all posted.