One thing about the disney references in "the da vinci code"

all of the women in those stories were "damsels in distress", and not exactly strong female figures, which is what the book seems to imply. they're all looking for "prince charming". and yet, in the four stories he talks about ("sleeping beauty," "snow white," "cinderella" and "little mermaid") all have females playing the villainous roles! and in "little mermaid" towards the end, the villain grows to be gigantic, and the prince not only defeats her, he impales her on the mast of the ship. insert your own sexual metaphor... but basically, the hidden meaning it could say is "evil woman is stopped by driving a long object into her" (or, taken at a much more vulgar level "she just needs to be fucked.")

da vinci code has loads of great ideas, but the whole disney thing is a crock of crap. I'd sooner believe disney was an Illuminatus than someone hiding hidden meanings pointing toward "sacred feminine" in his films.

Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill are my favorite Disney movies.

I won't argue with your point, Allison--I chiefly agree with the comment on those female roles--but you have to admit that if a hidden meaning is indeed "she needs to be fucked," then that is some pretty intense symbolism for a Disney movie, something that would most definitely go right over the heads of the kids watching the movie. It did to me as a child.

In the case of The Little Mermaid, the Magdalene picture in her little underwater nook has to mean something as far as I'm concerned; I doubt Disney would throw that reference in by accident. But your arguements are valid, and help substaniate my main point--there are implicit meanings hidden within many Disney animations. Whether or not you or I agree with them is up for debate, but they're there.

Wait a minute. Aren't we taking this all a little too seriously. I loved Kingdom Hearts and the thought of the symbolism you mentioned might have crossed my mind for a second but that was all. Could you see Sleeping Beauty being a man's role, I mean come on . It's harmless. When you watch these Disney films they are meant to be taken at face value. There is no hidden metaphor.

All I know is that people don't give enough credit to Disney these days. Tons of kids between 10-20 love anime, but dis Disney. C'mon - they're the only U.S. studio comparable to the best of Japanese anime - go see one of their movies for christ sakes! Some of their movies downright suck (Brother Bear, for example) cuz they rip off what was a success earlier (The Lion King). Disney thinks it's too risky to make movies too different then they used to, and most of the time they do, people don't see'em. Take Treasure Planet for instance; killer art direction, breathtaking animation, great characters, brisk pace and a nice adaptation of Treasure Island. It wasn't perfect, but it was taken seriously (stupid sing alongs were replaced by original music by the Goo Goo Dolls - NICE!), and ended up WAY better than most of Disney's recent films - AND NOBODY SAW IT! Arrrrgh.
Stupid people are keeping Disney's image down; and stupid people tend to be stubborn and ignorant as well. Disney doesn't make kiddy movies - they just don't cater to these (stupid) people. Unfortunately, non-idiots seem to be a dying breed.
My point is, I fear for the future of Kingdom Hearts as a series. Basing the worlds only on popular movies might provide the basis for just 2 more sequels (since the Heartless destroy worlds). If people don't go see Disney movies, Kingdom Hearts will die around 3 or 4 because of Disney's image. Unless they soon tap into the Lilo & Stitch formula (rope in with this kiddy image but shift into an enjoyable, charming story to rope in the audiences), Kingdom Hearts will be doomed.

Also, is it true or false that Disney will produce an animated film based on Kingdom Hearts. Also, wouldn't it be sweet if Pixar did it? They love anime - if I remember, they convinced Disney to localize "Spirited Away" and the rest of Studio Ghibli's films.

A little late, I'm afraid. There will be no more traditionally-animated Disney movies for a long time. Big Bear is to be the last. Disney supposedly has a bit of a backlog to get rid of, but they've already fired all of their animators in Florida, California, and France.

Yes, the directive came from Michael Eisner.

I wonder what Roy thinks of all this.

Not pretending to know much about this subject at all, I have to intercede with the obvious things that i'm sure most of you have heard about.
Most Disney movies that were made when Walt Disney was still living have some sort of hidden sexual reference in them. (ie the noticeably phallic symbol on the castle in The Little Mermaid or Aladdin saying "Take off your clothes" in the background to the tiger on the balcony) If Walt Disney wasn't afraid to put these references into his movies, then why not ones referencing Mary Magdalene?
Alot of people see Walt Disney as a fun-loving man who loved being a kid and seeing the world for what it could be. They often fail to remember that Walt Disney was a business man with a a crap load of intelligence. He was also anti-semitic, not bashing his beliefs or choice of lifestyle, merely pointing out that this man had some not so kid-friendly aspects about himself as well. Why not have a little fun with the kiddy movies and see exactly how many of the non kid-friendly things the supposedly 'smarter' adults in the audience can pick up.
I love Disney movies and always will, if not because i grew up with them, then because watching them again when you've grown up can show you all too many things that you never saw when you were seven.

while anime is a large quantity of completely different companies producing a diverse range of stories, Disney is one company that seems to produce roughly the same stuff over and over.

So Disney movies are worth checking out because of crude, creepy, sexless sexual innuendos, and the anti-semetism of their founder?

Forgive me if I'm not following. Taking a kids movie and inserting one-liners that fly over the heads of children is not clever or mature. It's boring. Predictable. Shrek.

I don't think Disney has released a wortwhile film in twenty years. I think everything they've done in the last decade has been the same movie with the personification shifted to something different. If I hadn't seen anything by Hayao Miyazaki over that same time period, I might have some respect for Disney's art or imagination. As is, I don't.

And does anyone think Tetsuya Normura (or the rest of Square, for that matter) really meshes with Disney at all? Kingdom Hearts' clumsy attempt at integration is laughable.

I don't know if I speak for anyone else here but, who cares? I don't really care if some people take these hidden meanings from Disney. Is a young kid going to understand the "phallic symbol on the castle in The Little Mermaid"? These movies target audience are kids and kids don't go looking for the deeper meaning, they just take the movie at face value. So I ask you who the hell cares about these supposed symbols in the movies? It's just mean't to be some harmless fun so don't sit down and watch these movies as an adult but as a kid.

I don't know if I speak for anyone else here but, who cares? I don't really care if some people take these hidden meanings from Disney. Is a young kid going to understand the "phallic symbol on the castle in The Little Mermaid"? These movies target audience are kids and kids don't go looking for the deeper meaning, they just take the movie at face value. So I ask you who the hell cares about these supposed symbols in the movies? It's just mean't to be some harmless fun so don't sit down and watch these movies as an adult but as a kid.

"Most Disney movies that were made when Walt Disney was still living have some sort of hidden sexual reference in them. (ie the noticeably phallic symbol on the castle in The Little Mermaid or Aladdin saying "Take off your clothes" in the background to the tiger on the balcony)"

This is pure urban legend manufactured by people who are trying to find something wrong with a movie where nothing actually exists.

A). Walt wasn't alive when either Little Mermaid or Aladdin were produced.
B). The phallus in the castle wasn't intentional.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.htm
C). Aladdin doesn't actually say "good teenagers, take off your clothes." http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/aladdin.htm

This took approximately 15 seconds to Google.

I think most people, Americans at least, have a serious misconception of what makes something adult.

This is something I complained about when people were talking about Alice (the game). What makes the game dark or adult oriented? Everything is darker colored, the cat looks vicious, there's blood, profanity, and it's sexualized. This makes the game a dark adult game? Actually, it's closer to a dark childrens game.

If you want to make something for adults you have to use what makes adults different from kids. It sounds obvious to me, but apparently it's not.

The things they used to make Alice darker were based on childrens values. Dark colors, scary images, blood, sex, those are things that are bad or unpleasant to kids. Adults are mostly unbothered by that at all. So it's actually closer to being a dark game for children. What would be closer to the dark adult version?

The Disney movie.

To a kid, Alice in Wonderland is a cute story filled with colorful characters. To an adult, it's an insane acid trip. You start wondering, "This is fucked up! Why wasn't I scared as a kid?" Mushrooms, and death, and talking flowers? It's a dark movie for adults because adults critically analyze things more than children.

I admit, though, Disney was more that way in the past then at the present.

Look, all I care about in future KH games is having Lilo & Stitch in the game. Lilo as a party member, Stitch as a summon, Stitch as a fighter type, whatever. I just want there to be ONE medium where the last great Disney 2d animation isn't swepat under the rug and forgotten.

I had a great theology teacher in high school who would use disney movies to explain several different theological concepts. The only one I can remember is Pinocchio, which he had a very rich and detailed analysis of. One thing he mentioned was how Monstro the Whale represented the "Institutional Evil" type. Of course, Pinocchio is a movie ripe for analysis, but I believe many of the simple stories spun by disney can be viewed very easily as morality tales in one respect or another.

It might be worth noting that while playing through the Monstro the Whale level in Kingdom Hearts, I pretty easily recalled his lecture on Institutional Evil, and it even applied the play and plot of the game.

I actually found this site while trying to do some investigating of The Da Vinci Code. This is a gret book and it speaks a lot of truths. The Disney references are completly true according to numerous other sites I've found. I also want to point out to the smart ass who wrote about the one liners: Disney didn't make Shrek. The refernces to snopes.com are also further proof that some of the points made here are a little uneducated. Double check yourself.

I actually found this site while trying to do some investigating of The Da Vinci Code. This is a gret book and it speaks a lot of truths. The Disney references are completly true according to numerous other sites I've found. I also want to point out to the smart ass who wrote about the one liners: Disney didn't make Shrek. The refernces to snopes.com are also further proof that some of the points made here are a little uneducated. Double check yourself.

I actually found this site while trying to do some investigating of The Da Vinci Code. This is a gret book and it speaks a lot of truths. The Disney references are completly true according to numerous other sites I've found. I also want to point out to the smart ass who wrote about the one liners: Disney didn't make Shrek. The refernces to snopes.com are also further proof that some of the points made here are a little uneducated. Double check yourself.

Was just taking a break and wanted to post here

For the person who made the comment that Disney movies aren't for adults:
Adults take kids to see the movies. All good kids' movies have jokes and plot twists that are intended for a more mature audience and go over the heads of younger viewers.
Also, in Walt's time, his movies definitely would have been seen by adults, because they came out in a period when people payed to spend a day in the theatre. They would spend a dime to see two feature films, some shorts, and the news reels. Adults would have seen the older films, such as "Snow White" or "Cinderella." Not too many kids would know that Walt also used Tchaikovsky's score for "The Sleeping Beauty."
And even if Walt didn't expect people to catch the symbols hidden in his films, what's wrong with letting the guy have an inside joke?

disney movies are being turned into something that they are not ment to me, i alladen (not sure if i spelled it right) it says "good teenage girls take off their cloths", and in the lion king when simba sees his shadow and then it flashed to the moon, right next to the moon it says "fuck." I think this is some kind of sick joke. And when i grow ^, i will not let my children watch these movies. But how would i be able to sheil them from this. P.S. im only twelve

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Posted by: outsider on April 11, 2006 07:49 AM