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12/01/2002

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Bunnykun

"but its called halo b/c it has to do with a halo, the other one was called marathon b/cit had to do with a ship called marathon. =) so no, halo isn't marathon 4 b/c there is no marathon ship anywhere."

By your logic, Halo 2 isn't really the sequel to Halo, because Halo 2 takes place on Earth, not Halo or another Halo installation. Since it takes place on Earth, should it be called Earth?

Even if it was called "Earth" and not "Halo 2", it would definitly be the Halo sequel.

Bones

This is great, just like the old days when discussions about the Marathon plot raged on for thousands of pages!

I think the Bungie folks realise just how compelling the original storyline for Marathon was, by being ambiguous they promote this kind of debate. I also think that Bungie were always great fans of the Mac and liked the idea of putting Marathon references into the Microsoft flagship game, kind of an insider joke for old Mac cronies.

I like to think of Halo as some kind of prequel, The character is a cyborg (hence the first level name "Cyborgs and AI first") and could be the same character as the Marathon series.

Also (on a slightly more anorak note) someone mentioned earlier that there was no UNSC in Marathon - but there was a UESC...and in the prolog for Marathon2 the cyborg character starts after spending 17 years "in stasis" - sound familiar?

Bunnykun

From just reading the Halo novel, I noticed that there is a class of ships call Marathon-Class. Interesting, no?

scott

One thing Master Chief's first name is John !!! NOT BOB !!!

Scott

One thing Master Chief's first name is John !!! NOT BOB !!!

Scott

One thing Master Chief's first name is John !!! NOT BOB !!!

Scott

One thing Master Chief's first name is John !!! NOT BOB !!!

7x7x7 Guilty Spark

This title, wasn't meant to be Marathon. Halo is Marathon. The name of the race that created Halo is the foreRUNNERs. Marathon, Forerunner. Hmmm...

I believe that the sequels to Halo are intended to eventually tie the games together cohesively and unmistakably. I believe we will see some star wars type of revelations/surprises in the future Halo games.

In the game Master Chief is referred to as the Reclaimer by 343 Guilty Spark and it is implied that Master Chief or individuals who looked like him had used Halo before.

Born On Board. MC is awoken from cryo-stasis on the PoA at the very beginning of Halo. MC helps out and backsup the marines similar to the way the B
OBs worked. Perhaps the original 150/75 candidates were the BOBs from Marathon and Master Chief is the last one alive many years later.

7x7x7 Guilty Spark

This title, wasn't meant to be Marathon. Halo is Marathon. The name of the race that created Halo is the foreRUNNERs. Marathon, Forerunner. Hmmm...

I believe that the sequels to Halo are intended to eventually tie the games together cohesively and unmistakably. I believe we will see some star wars type of revelations/surprises in the future Halo games.

In the game Master Chief is referred to as the Reclaimer by 343 Guilty Spark and it is implied that Master Chief or individuals who looked like him had used Halo before.

Born On Board. MC is awoken from cryo-stasis on the PoA at the very beginning of Halo. MC helps out and backsup the marines similar to the way the BOBs worked. Perhaps the original 150/75 candidates were the BOBs from Marathon and Master Chief is the last one alive many years later.

John117

Forerunner = Marathon

Master Chief is born on board at the start of Halo.

Marathon Owns ALL

simple and easy, sorry Game girl advance writers, but someone beat you to your obvious punch. If you go to http://marathon.bungie.org/story/ it has all the information you put and more. There is strong correlative arguments that your character is the same Mjolnir Mark IV Cyborg which existed in Marathon and the same as Halo and if you look even further back, you can date it to Pathways into Darkness. Halo has millions of simlilarities, but I won't waste time writing them as they're already put down by Hamlish the writer of this website, just click on the halo section in the left half of the website once you enter. Sorry to kill this thread with proof ;).
-Daemonecles

Marathon Owns All

Also, to kinda put down those arguments that the master chief is a BOB or the same cyborg you play in Marathon. The master chief was said to be put together on the planet that the Pillar of Autumn hailed from. If you go into Marathon and read up, you find out that two asteroid planets got into a huge war between each other, sorry, but i forget the names, but in this war, the two sides manufactured the first "battle roids" and these were placed in battle and quickly killed everybody. I can't put my finger on a correlation between this and Halo though, as the asteroid planets cannot be the same as the one the master chief came from, but it looks like it was possible that the same technology was put together and mabye the body of the old cyborg soldier you were was arisen again by this technology after being found ?floating in space? But I need to read up on the end of marathon Infinity, because that was the last in the series, but i remember that in the end of Marathon 2: Durandal, the character and Durandal are rumored to have escaped the end of the universe and become gods, so mabye Halo was just meant to be a better/different/more recent/more mass marketed version of marathon? Because marathon didn't sell as well, but had a very devoted fan base such as people like me and you all reading this.

Marathon Owns ALL

sorry for a THIRD post, but just have to say this: Halo and Marathon were both based on different sci fi books, but there are similar ties between them, which means could they be just different generations of "battle roid" Mjolnir Mark IV Cyborgs? halo was based on a book by Ian M. Banks called Culture and another one by him called Consider Phlebas, which are both excellent books and even the cover has Halo on it. Marathon was based on the book, Marathon by Alexander Smith, both should be bought post haste if you want to understand the backgrounds of both.

Marathon Owns All

oh wow holy crap i didn't think about this one, but the forerunner could be the alien pfhor ship that Durandal comandeers and takes across the Galaxy because as one point in the game it shows how Durandal went around the galaxy with his new warp drives and he meets up with you again in Marathon 2

Marathon Ownz ALL

and no, master chief is not BOB on the Pillar of Autumn, BOBs are second or any following generation of children born on a starship and that's the name they get. You wouldn't be called Master Chief but BOB and you aren't born, just brought out of stasis

wow

who cares? if they're both good games, forget about it and just enjoy them!

...

marathon owns all...what can i say...

MASTER CHIEF WAS NOT "BORN" ON THE SHIP!
HE WASN'T "PUT TOGETHER"!

he is a cybernetically advanced HUMAN...
he was born from a mommy...do you know how that works? first, your mommy and daddy fuck each other...the momma gets fertilized and out you pop!


if i'm wrong feel FREE to correct me

RazorSkin

Does it really matter if it is sqeual? I mean it is pretty cool that the DEVs for this game through in all this stuff and it probally was ment to be a sqeual in its early stages of planing but do you really think the name Marathon 4 would have sold to the XBOX gamers who at the time were looking foward to new, fresh and original titles.

Halo was like th only micorsoft only on xbox, for xbox, design by XOBX, to make xbox what it is game. Would have this game really drawn in the crouds? I mean it would have been seen a add on to an almost dead series. Sorta like peoples take on the plans for tribes 3.

I am just glad they made the gmae and am really happy to see that the programers (DEVs) took the time to add in these little reminders of Halos heritage in the gaming world.

True

True if you read the HALO books it is clear. Masta Cheif was born and is an enhanced person. I won't say human because they didn't make that clear. He comes from another world then earth. He is also the last of his class of powersuit enhanced warrior.

Marathon Ownz ALL

to "..."
the master chief was born yes. But so were the battleroids, the cyborgs are old dead bodies which are rebuilt. He was never born on the ship, yes, but if you read the intro in the manual, you see that he is "created", i'm not sure on the words they use, mabye trained, if so, then i'd need to rethink my argument, but he is "created" on the planet where the pillar of autumn came from. This sounds so much like what happened on the asteroids. But the master chief IS an enhanced person, but he was dead and then re-animated. he is in a powersuit and all, but these are all cybernetic enhancements and the suit is not the only source of power he holds.

Razor

The Covenet Symbols in the ship are the same as the marathon logo.

waka

Wow, I can't believe this is even a debate.

Someone else pointed out the Marathon logo's presence within the Halo logo years ago, when Halo was first demoed on a Mac G3 at Macword. In an interview, Jason Jones (lead programmer and cofounder of Bungie) mentioned that there were "common threads" running throughout all of Bungie's games. The example he mentioned at the time was that in an earlier game of theirs, Minotaur (1992), the character can find a sword named Durandal.

I doubt the question "is Halo a sequel" matters. Bungie works common elements into their games.

waka

Kyle Thompson

OK, that's it. I am now refering to Halo as "Marathon 4". No one will know what the hell I'm talking about, but hopefully it'll relieve a little of the anger I have that there is no and never will be a Halo for Mac.

Chris

This hole Strand got me very interested in delving deeper into this issue. And I found some very interesting things.

First I went to compare Timelines here's what I found:
In the Marathon Timeline there are constant events in the year 2000 era. But between 2472 and 2611 there are no events It mearly says: "(This century intentionally left blank. Seriously, nothing really happened.)".
Now I looked at the Fall of Reach Timline (Halo book) And found that every single event was from 2494 to 2552. That's a little interesting dont you think?

Also In the Marathon timeline it says "c.-6.4E07 (-60,000) Unnamed 'God' crashes on the Yucatan Peninsula in southeastern Mexico."

And in the Fall of Reach timeline it says " 2512 A geological survey team on Sigma Octanus IV finds rocks with odd compositions - these were introduced from meteor impacts roughly 60,000 years ago"

Both 60,000 years ago. Interesting no? I have just begun my research so I'm sure I will find more interesting tie ins later.

Marathon Ownz ALL

Nice job chris. Keem em coming!

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