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Bombard

It seems that the voice chat appeals to the Socialisers, but killers and achiever dont like it. And exploreres dont mind. Perhaps.

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To tell tales out of school.

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To tell tales out of school.

Lee Stovin

I have been following Richards work for a while now and I understand what he is trying to drive at; that is the loss of immersion and role-play by introducing speech. The reality is that a significant percentage of players just are not mature enough to understand role-play theory and simply use immature 1337 speech anyway way as a form of communication. It woould be great if everyone got into the role of their character but they just dont. If you look at the holo-deck in star treck, they might be role playing a 1780 character from a story, yet they are talking in American or what ever they speach they use in the future. I believe that there are potential benefits on introducing speech now to virtual worlds, especially for educational reasons. The story might be set in England or France and this would be perfect for place to be able to learn the language. I have played many mmorpgs and have found lots of people who play the game solely to learn the language and become more fluent in it.

Erik Bastianen

With all due respect, I think it's more the writer himself that is afraid _his_ virtual immersive world will be broken.
I played DAoC for about two years and I think voice would have been a major help in many situations. As I recently entered the world of Xbox Live, I learnt what positive impact voice communication can have on games. And come on, what effect do written words have on photorealistic rendered virtual worlds. True, voice communication would break a text-based MUD game, but as the presentation of a game evolves (graphics, sound) so should also evolve the communication. Writing text just isn't effective enough. Have you ever been able to effectively communicate tactics in a PvP battle while fighting? Can you write down your emotions during a dragon raid without using dozens of nonsense characters?

Cheers,
ErikB

Erik Bastianen

With all due respect, I think it's more the writer himself that is afraid _his_ virtual immersive world will be broken.
I played DAoC for about two years and I think voice would have been a major help in many situations. As I recently entered the world of Xbox Live, I learnt what positive impact voice communication can have on games. And come on, what effect do written words have on photorealistic rendered virtual worlds. True, voice communication would break a text-based MUD game, but as the presentation of a game evolves (graphics, sound) so should also evolve the communication. Writing text just isn't effective enough. Have you ever been able to effectively communicate tactics in a PvP battle while fighting? Can you write down your emotions during a dragon raid without using dozens of nonsense characters?

Cheers,
ErikB

KexGodel

Many of the comments here are off the radar for what this article was aiming at. It wasn't directed so much at MMORPGs and FPSes, as it was pointing out how this will be a problem with virtual worlds.

Virtual worlds are much more immersive and socially-oriented than MMORPGs and FPSes; they include online environments such as Active Worlds, There, and Second Life. These three environments are nothing like the games most of you are defending.

Virtual world environments do not have time-critical goals that require you to keep your hands on the controls instead of chatting, lest you be offed in your unprepared state. Instead, these are alternate realities that are designed for you to explore, create, and socialize.

One of the prime reasons for participating in a virtual world like these is to use it as an escape from reality, so in this case, the original point Bartle made makes sense in the context of these worlds.

BTW: In response to the Second Life comment -- ATMs in Second Life were implemented by a regular resident who runs a third-party currency exchange, gamingopenmarket.com. Unlike There, SL's economy doesn't require you to buy currency, and if you don't want to buy something from someone else there's nothing stopping you from building it yourself for free.

Harry Voyager

I play an MMO called Eve Online, and until recently was affiliated with the Curse Alliance, and later Supremacy. It's a relatively small MMO, so I don't know how many of you who've heard of it.

We lived on Team Speak. From the moment you logged into the game, to the moment you logged off, and often even when you weren't logged in at all, you were on voice com. Did it break the fiction of the game to have a commander with a Scottish accent you could cut with a chainsaw? Perhapse. Did it break the immersion? It did not. It many ways, clear and complete communication only served to make the game more real, more involving, and more complete. When a Stain fleet tried to capture one of our stations it was *our* station they were trying to take, *ours* and we would die to defend it. And when we tried to take their stations, they were the same. It has an involvement and intensity that is just not there in the EQ clones.

I wonder if, perhapse, when the first graphical MUDs came about, the text players felt the same way about them?

Harry Voyager

Funky J

Given that in virtual worlds many people design Avatars based on themselves or an ideal of themselves (see the comments on the Second Life forums for example http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=43798 ) then I can't see that there is a problem...

From nearly everything I've read, people mainly create themselves.

Even so, with Real Time voice masking women can sound like men (I've seen the Black Eyed Peas use a special mic to do the "female" bits of their songs before they had a female singer) and vice versa, so that eliminates that problem.

Of course, you're always going to get some OOC discussion or noise, but that happens with text as well. The way around this is to report/ban users who talk OOC.

I don't see that voice in multi-player role playing games is such a bad thing as expressed in this story

Sticky

Wow, this is a lot of justification to rant against the inevitable (your word: unavoidable). Welcome to 21st century technology. To paraphrase Richard Feynman, technology is what nature made it, not what we want it to be. People will adapt and make what they want, and the rest of us will be dragged, kicking and screaming (Remember Windows?)

Mogrin

There are many people who wouldn't think typing one or two word sentences is worth text. Here we have a thought out discussion with text, where we can fully complete a thought and rethink what we really think before posting it. Its not really chat in that way.

Chat is short for chatter. Not really fully thought out facts or ideas, just communication. I use ventrilo. Its nice to not have to type simple statements and questions. Its nice to hear the tone and inflection in peoples voices, less misunderstandings that way.

Text chat has its uses but for inter-group chat, nothing beats voice. These are the people you are directly interacting with at the moment. These are the people who would traditionally type "inc, add, baf, oop, afk,", these are things that are most useful to know as soon as possible. And when things are happening around us, having our eyes glued to a text box isn't a priority. Or perhaps you have a window open, you get cold so decide to close the window, and someone types "inc". 1 minute later you see it, too late to react. If you have voice chat, you hear it when you're not at your computer, and can dart back to react in time if that is your priority.

Even when it comes to roleplaying you still use 1 word acronym sentences to communicate during action. And besides, if you are really into roleplay with your group, im sure you could have way more fun over a voice server, give it a shot you may be surprised. :O

Allan

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Gwyneth Llewelyn

Well, voice is now coming to Second Life, and it is built-in. The first generation will not have any voice morphing technology in place (although one has been promised to be developed, which should take a year). After such a maturity of Second Life's society and economy, this is one of the most dramatic changes to be introduced there since, well, 2003 I guess. It's obviously different to introduce a technology (or way of life) that changes things for a thousand people, however, or one that will change things for 7.7 million people.

Sadly, nobody read Bartle's very thorough and fundamented article. And yes, they're only after the marketing hype to attract another couple of million newbies that will join, laugh a lot on their mics, and leave after a week or so. But in the mean time, the number of accounts will effectively rise, so, I guess the marketeers will be happy.

It'll be interesting to watch it unfold in Second Life as well. I predict that Bartle's prediction is correct :D

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