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T. Holbrook Walker

Shirley saw this movie and hated it. She said it was so depressing and in many ways embodied every fear she had as a woman in a relationship without any real closure to the women's very real problems. Even now when she thinks back to it, she sometimes starts crying and says, "I was thinking about the movie again."

Based on that and that alone, I'm scared when people say they went to see this.


I loved the HBO series but frankly after seeing the trailer for the movie I said, no thanks. The over the top sex antics of Samantha and product placement galore would annoy me beyond belief. I had no interest in putting myself through that and once a friend told me about Big's antics I was like, UGH! The last thing I want to see is women A.) accepting unacceptable behaviour from men or B.) using possessions to fill a void. I adore make-up and fashion but you're right, Devil Wears Prada put those things in perspective. I couldn't take the bait needed to enjoy Pretty Woman. A hooker finds love? It's hard enough for a woman with a healthy lifestyle to find love let alone a woman with those levels of issues. Eventually, I will watch SATC... via Netflix.


Cinderella stories aren't as bad as when they're told with money status and power or royalty and marriage. Rags to riches has broader appeal. I think Pretty Woman is true to the larger theme that who a person is can transform their circumstances because of being true to themselves as a person, that their bodies and lives can't be leveraged against them to justify mistreatment no matter what their position *ignores pun*.

I agree with you on the problem of only telling women's stories with a man/status as the deus ex machina, though.

I personally would love to see more respect granted unconventional or alternate circumstances and lifestyles, and not just 'cause I'm gay, but because appreciating novel status rather than holding its novelty against it is vital to a healthy society.

Videogames I think help in this way acclimating people to thinking of identity as an avatar rather than pitting individuals' existence against one another's lives.

A Simple Sinner

"all the characters except one need marriage to feel fulfilled; and the one that doesn't (surprise! it's Samantha) rejects commitment because she longs to fuck a sexy next door neighbor."

With all due respect, I am a little perplexed by what you want out of the Fab Four from the Big Apple.

Miranda was willing to walk on a husband and it was only from his pleading and her friend's urging that she returned...

Carrie was devastated that Mister Big once again got cold feet and left her dejected.

Charlotte was on husband #2 - she had been willing to leave #1 so as to not be with a man she didn't much like and apparently didn't love anymore. She found a good one and it is expected that one in four of the women would be happy married (at least by the second time)...

So you are disappointed by this idea that they needed men to be happy, and you are disappointed by their rampant materialism... Were you sort of hoping they just remained single gals who dated around and maybe gave up the Big Apple to go teach at a small-town liberal arts college?

I am a little confused by your disappointment in a movie that took the TV series about Manhattan consumption - of men and material - to the logical conclusion... Carrie wanted big and a shoe closet - she got it, Samantha wanted the hot times of singlehood - she got it. Workaholic Miranda seemed happy at the end to have her husband back and return to family life as a working wife and mother complete with a live-in Polish nanny - she got it. I guess the real spinner in the works could of or would have been one of them not getting anything they wanted.

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